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Lake District World Heritage Site Consultation

Cumbria County Council Discussion Forum: Lake District World Heritage Site Consultation

Welcome to the

Lake District World Heritage Site discussion group.

This is an open discussion group where any opinion can be expressed or question asked about the possibility of World Heritage Site inscription for the Lake District. Please tell anyone with an interest in the Lake District about this discussion group because the more contributors to it the better. Everyone’s views are important and will contribute to the process of considering a bid for inscription.

Visit www.lakedistrictwhs.org.uk for background information.

This discussion forum will be closed at the end of the year to allow for a revamp.

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By Tom on Wednesday, 20 December, 2006 - 12:07 pm:

Time for a reality check.
What a load of Rubbish !!!

Conspiracy, its not JFK, it’s the FLD and Ego Fascists taking over the area and its all there right in front of you. Turn the lakes into a working museum and push everybody out. WHS gives power to that crusade. And to say that the Windermere Speed Limit has nothing to do with WHS is just ridicules.

Go ahead get WHS and watch the area fall to its knee’s.

By A Kendal resident on Tuesday, 19 December, 2006 - 04:16 pm:

Time for a reality check.

This forum was supposed to be about the WHS bid not about the Windermere ban. No matter what you conspiracy theorists think they are not the same thing. Some of us think the ban was wrong but going for WHS status is right. Most of the problems with the LDNPA are a result of inadequacy not evil conspiracy.

Next the LDNPA run the Lake District not the Friends of the Lake District. They may have more influence than most people would wish but I am told by someone who was there that at the Steering group meeting their support for a bid was not wholehearted because they would like to see more than the park included in the WHS. This is not the view of other stakeholders. The FLD are just the local branch of CPRE they do not have the power of local councils or even the weak LDNPA.

Next as has been said before this bid is not being led by the LDNPA it is coming from Cumbria County Council, who have a very different agenda.
If you dont like the bid fine. Say why or how it can be improved but this is not the place to moan about the nasty LDNPA and the FLD, email them directly. Try to influence the future rather than bleating about past and irrelevant defeats.

Lastly in what way do you beleieve you are being lied to over WHS? Where is the deciet? Easy to throw about such assertions but lets see some justifications. Come on enter a debate rather than just spewing out invective.

By Anonymous on Tuesday, 19 December, 2006 - 12:34 pm:

the stearing groop dident listen to the local people either

By WHS News on Monday, 18 December, 2006 - 04:07 pm:

On Friday 15th December the Steering Group of stakeholders voted to progress a bid for World Heritage Site status. The stake holders consist of a variety of public and private bodies both national and local and include, commercial, farming, tourism and conservation interests. The vote was 21 in favour, 3 abstentions and 2 against.

By Anonymous on Saturday, 09 December, 2006 - 05:01 pm:

maybe they are on a paid sabbatical perhaps they have retired or maybe they stood doing nothing for so long they have been given WHS

By Anonymous on Wednesday, 06 December, 2006 - 11:42 am:

It seems that all the old postings have vanished, I wonder why.

By Anonymous on Wednesday, 29 November, 2006 - 06:39 pm:

the head of the LDNPA will be replaced by an equally single minded eco fascist hell bent on preserving everything ,obtaining WHS, doing everything the friends of the lake district want and getting rid of everything that dose not fit the national park ideal this will go on until the local people kick up such a fuss that the government will have to listen they need to get properly organised to appose the national park dictatorship

By Scott on Tuesday, 28 November, 2006 - 09:35 am:

Dear Tom

The head of the LDNPA has been removed thats one step in the right direction.

But if WHS goes ahead, 'The real reason for the windermere ban' the lake speed limit will be the least of everybodies worrys.

When people consider the impact of WHS, just remember the lies, decite and spin farmed out to a public treated with contempt thoughout that process.

Good luck to us all.
Lets see just how much of a mess we can make of our region, give the Ego Fascists and Power Hungry
Popus A**e's power over it all !!!!

This post has been edited to avoid causing offence. We would like to remind all contributors of the need for moderate language.

By Anonymous on Monday, 27 November, 2006 - 09:35 pm:

i love water sports and i have been doing it since i was 6! all i want to no is a real reason that is accseptable for us water sportist to understand! we just want to know why, then once you final admit there is know reason, the ban can be removed. please! tom

By Anonymous on Sunday, 19 November, 2006 - 11:18 pm:

anyone reading these posts would assume this was not wanted by most people yet thay press ahead why?

By Jon Windermere on Friday, 10 November, 2006 - 09:43 am:

REF: 'Well I dont think FLD as a pressure group have any real power'

What the devil are you talking about, they run the Lake District, open your eyes man !!!

Jon

By Ted on Tuesday, 24 October, 2006 - 01:55 pm:

Dear CA Milnthorpe

My view point is this, the LDNPA pull all the shots in the Lake District. This has been made plainly clear by the way they handled the Windermere speed issue, whatever your view we need to remember the way this organisation treated the common man during this process. With contempt and disgrace. The LDNPA takes its policy led from the FLD, this is a fact, the LDNPA will not do anything without the nod from the ego warrior FLD.

There are many members of CCC who are also members of the LDNPA this is were the main divisions are in the council. Its about elected V non-elected power.

WHS is being pursued by the LDNPA for one end, to preserve its existence. The FLD are pursuing WHS because its furthers their curse to return the Lake District stone age eradicating people from the landscape.

The issue has been handed to the CCC because the LDNPA are now seen as totally incompetent and un trust worthy. And the LDNPA feel there influence on the CCC is sufficient the sway the decision.

WHS is a good thing but only in the hands of a trust worthy, competent, answerable authority. The best thing for our region is to replace the Quango with an elected body and tackle the real issues, economy alongside the environment.

To think that WHS will not bring exploitable power and leverage for the LDNPA in my eyes is naive.

Ted

By CA Milnthorpe on Monday, 23 October, 2006 - 03:20 pm:

Ted

Well I dont think FLD as a pressure group have any real power, as for authority in the park then yes the LDNPA is in pole position but then the importance for WHS is surely that it is not run by the LDNPA. Cant say how many pro-WHS CCC coucillors are on the LDNPA board but I do get the impression a lot of councillors are against it.

As for faith in the LDNPA I do not have a lot, though they are supposed to be changing. But my point is rather than opposing WHS status if the beef is with the LDNPA then target them not something that has the potential to be of some benefit for the whole of Cumbria.

By Ted Windy on Monday, 23 October, 2006 - 11:36 am:

Dear CA Milnthorpe

A few questions for you?
Who do you think holds the power in the region CCC or the LDNPA and the FLD?
How many of the members of CCC in favour of WHS are members of the LDNPA?
Do you have faith, trust and confidence in the LDNPA?

Ted

By CA Milnthorpe on Monday, 23 October, 2006 - 10:53 am:

In answer to Ted Windy there is nothing in this discussion or on the website that says LDNPA, FLD and the WHS are not connected, merely that to harp on the problems about the past governance of the park in relation to WHS is not relevant. WHS will not give the LDNPA any greater powers. It will not make them any worse nor any better. Also nowhere does it say CCC supports WHS status for the park. Many of its councillors are publicly against it. But CCC and not LDNPA are leading the process to consider the possibility of a bid that is why this is a CCC website. Argue on the basis of fact not fantasy!

By Ted Windy on Sunday, 22 October, 2006 - 01:58 pm:

To say that WHS and the LDNPA and FLD are unrelated is absolute rubbish. And that CCC want WHS is deluded. WHS is only being persuaded by the LDNPA simply because of self preservation.. UNESCO. made observations in the original application about fast boats on Windermere and what do the LDNPA do ?Blindly abuse there power simply to appease the UN. Tell me where is Mr Tiplady the main champion of WHS in the LDNPA and the man responsible for the LDNPA’s down fall and at air of miss trust and incompetence felt by most local people. Hiding away at home on 70000 grand a year refusing to talk to anybody hiding behind the Law.

The powers that control our region are out of control and need to be put in order before we take on WHS if indeed we need it.

Why do we need the UN to tell us we live if a wonderful area? We don’t !!!

By A South Lakeland resident on Friday, 20 October, 2006 - 11:52 am:

The value of the World Heritage Site bid is that success would provide a world perspective for our cultural identity (the essence of our area's humanity historically)and confer a status to the region that it may not have, giving it the credit it is worth internationally. It is not a physical boundary to restrict our progress, but rather the opportunity to project our cultural distinctiveness on to a world stage.

By CA Milnthorpe on Thursday, 19 October, 2006 - 03:40 pm:

I broadly agree with the last and first posting. This is not about the LDNPA it is about getting something positive for the county. They admit that WHS is only a tool to be used not something that comes with a big cheque attached. But what harm can it do (answer this with facts not predjuidice)?

By Anonymous on Thursday, 19 October, 2006 - 03:12 pm:

Understandable that there is so much anger against the Lake District NPA and FoLD but this does not have that much to do with the proposal for a World Heritage Site. The process is being led by CCC not LDNPA and it is the UK government who have to go forward with it. Read the consultants reports. Will it be a boost for the economy, probably not directly. Will it be an extra layer of planning and bureaucracy, no reason why it should be there are no powers with a WHS and the worst UNESCO can do is stop the area being a WHS. Will it raise the profile of the are, probably. As for cost there have been some wildly inflated figures around. Based on Liverpool it is likely to be in the £350k area. Less than a price of most detached houses inside the park then.

By Murley of the Moss on Wednesday, 18 October, 2006 - 04:22 pm:

So many negative comments. Whilst it is quite clear that decisions to pursue WHS are best left to the professionals who know about this subject there does seem to be a need to educate the general public on the benefits we seek. With this in mind a multi million pound (sterling) re-education & coercian program will shortly be proposed to ensure this project is successfully completed for the glory of the state and its supporting operatives. (oops, sorry, got a bit carried away on the last bit).

By Pete Windermere on Friday, 29 September, 2006 - 10:09 am:

I don’t understand, I’m 21 and I live in the lakes but there’s nothing here for me.
The Windermere Ban has turned the lake into a morg, the areas dead and stagnant.
What is there here for me now? Why do I want to live and work here??? I can’t by a house.

Let me get this right ? My future is dictated and managed by a bunch of extremists in the FLD and a bunch of ego maniacs in the LDNPA. All of these people are unelected and theres nothing I can do to change any of this. Who is representing the views of young people in the area?

If WHS goes ahead it will be the nail in the coffin and I signal for me and other young people to just get out and get on with living a life we have some control over.

Sickening but the reality here I’m afraid.

By Charlie, Egremont on Wednesday, 27 September, 2006 - 05:26 pm:

No to world heritage site, we don't need it and it's a complete waste of time and no doubt our money to try and get it.

By john weightman from Dalton-in-furness on Monday, 25 September, 2006 - 03:10 pm:

The LDNPA and Cumbria council are naive to think they will maintain the same control over planning and development in the Park in the event of its proposed new designation. The World Heritage Site planners have certainly not been wallflowers when they failed to approve several uncontraversial schemes put forward by Liverpool council at their WH site at Pier Head.
A massive influx of extra tourists (mostly Chinese and Indian no doubt)will drive the authorities to draconian measures to control access to the Park with dramatic effect on the lives of ordinary people trying to make a living in the middle of a theme park.
I suggest LDNPA and Cumbria council should save time and money by dropping this idea and concentrating effort into those things which they are obviously not good at like keeping public toilets open and building by-passes around villages which REALLY need them.

By Tom from Kendal on Friday, 22 September, 2006 - 11:59 am:

Sorry, can't see what the benefits are. At all.

By Anonymous on Friday, 22 September, 2006 - 03:55 am:

I can see the benefits of having a world heritage site but everybody knows that if the lake district becomes one it will be used to bolster the you cant do that (you cant walk drive ski breath f**t) in case it damages the environment mentality that exists in the lake district. you can hear them saying, you cant do that this is a world heritage site.

By Mick Lockwood on Tuesday, 19 September, 2006 - 01:16 pm:

Nigel

All of the below might be true but the fact is that World Heart age Status in the Lake District is an abuse by the Eco Fascists at both the Friends Of The Lake District and the Lake District National Park Authority.

Both organisations have proven themselves as incompetent with hidden agendas more concerned with self preservation then the environment and future prosperity of the area.

This region needs democratic leadership not Quango driven dictatorship.
Let local people decide.

By Nigel Hetherington on Tuesday, 19 September, 2006 - 12:11 pm:

I would like to clear up a few things about 'World Heritage Status
1) It can be applied to large areas, living landscapes etc not just monuments like Stonehenge
2) It does not add another layer of bureaucracy, officials or costs to an area. In fact The World Heritage committee's hands off approach is heavily criticised
3) World Heritage Site’s are and can be living communities
4) WHS will bring extra prestige and probably more tourists; this of course could be a doubled edged sword
So why go for it, many people argue with site such as the Lake District, which are already internationally know, there is no point. The benefits are normally limited to increased recognition worldwide and as the WH fund is so poor, very little if any funds if any are forthcoming.
Normally it is done as act of national pride, a glorified beauty contest in other words!

I am a consultant on Cultural Heritage, originally from Fletchertown near Wigton and now based in Egypt.

I work in this field and have just completed a management plan for the Valley of the Kings in Luxor, Egypt,another very well know WHS.

Thanks
Nigel Hetherington
Cultural Heritage Consultant
Theban Mapping Project
www.kv5.com
My Blog
http://spaces.msn.com/members/ArchaeologyinEgypt/

By Anonymous on Friday, 15 September, 2006 - 10:08 am:

why not boot them both out

By Kate, from Keswick area Business Owner on Thursday, 14 September, 2006 - 10:50 pm:

This is a shocking idea...If I read this right, you could be looking for a whole-park World Heritage Site.

If you think you can smother the already suffocating businesses in the lakes with a whole-park approach you are NOT ON!!!!!!

Sure some of the lake district IS world class but LIMIT it!!! I would love people to come and discover the area and its special places including the World Heritage but not our towns not the places we need to grow in the future!

Don't let the Friends of the Lake District ruin the future. These people are not "friends" - they are enemies of the lake district! More like Eco-fascists! They have ONE utterly imbalanced agenda and the National Park should boot them out.

By Jon Windy on Friday, 08 September, 2006 - 02:04 pm:

It’s not worth the effort bothering anymore.
The LDNPA will have their way and destroy the lakes, turning it into a museum.

Forget the Lake District it’s a sham, it’s for the snobby, the ego-eco's, the rich and the old, and WHS will just finish it off.

If your young and have a life to live get out of the lakes you don’t fit into the picture.
Its hard to take, but it’s the truth.

By Alan from Cockermouth on Friday, 01 September, 2006 - 09:24 am:

It seems Cumbria has to have a cross to bear, that being LDNP, if the WHS goes ahead then the area will become a museum, no new housing, roads, industry or commerce, the LDNP will not be happy until we are all riding bikes or have horses and carts and living in tents.
The area wants opening up, not closed down, and lets have the Carlisle Airport scheme up and running asap.

By Dave S Lakeland on Monday, 28 August, 2006 - 10:03 pm:

What a waste of time.
Doesn’t look as if anyone is maintaining this forum.
And I don’t expect the council nor the LDNPA even give a dame about peoples views.

If anybody from the Council is even looking at this forum, post and let us all know!

If you can’t look after a internet forum how can you manage a county ?

By Pete Windermere on Wednesday, 23 August, 2006 - 09:26 am:

This is a pointless forum, the LDNPA are above us all, its all about hidden agenda.
It doesn’t matter what local people think, they do what the hell they like. They’ll push on with this regardless to try and secure their own pointless jobs and destroy the area in the process. Democracy? Not in the Lake District.

By Tom - Penrith on Saturday, 19 August, 2006 - 12:28 pm:

It sould seem that many people would appreciate the issue of a living wage being placed ahead of the issue of World Heritage Status for the Lakes? There are a number of comments in this forum that relate to the low level of wages paid to many who work in tourism & visitor related service sector businesses. If you work in this area and would like to post your views anonymously then please visit www.RCumbria.com and do the 5 Minute survey on the leisure & catering industry. The results of the survey will be made freely available on the website.

By Dave S Lakeland on Friday, 18 August, 2006 - 11:00 am:

This is the simple truth.

The LDNPA are not wanted, respected, or trusted by common people in the Lake District. World Heritage Status is about self preservation and nothing else.
This is a small group of un-elected people who believe they have some sort of ownership over our area.

Its time for us all to stand up and demand the council take control of decision making instead of this unelected, unaccountable Quango.

By Andy EX frequent visitor on Friday, 18 August, 2006 - 01:20 am:

why ask, the Windermere speed limit fiasco has proved the LDNPA wont listen to anything it doesn't want to hear. and will press on regardless.
I have been visiting the lake district for many years and never met anyone who wanted world heritage status.

By AN - Kendal on Wednesday, 16 August, 2006 - 09:46 am:

This is a scheme created by bureaucrats which will only serve bureaucrats. It is an opportunity for unelected administrators to feel self important and superior, whilst spending lots of tax-payer hard earned money. The last thing the area needs is another expensive level of administration to further burden a struggling local economy. All the literature on the WHS is heavy on waffle and light on benefits. Can we not learn from the LDNPA experience which has banned attractions which brought many visitors to the area, damaged local businesses, reduced employment, introduced excessive parking fees and fines and reduced visitor services. We would be better off paying all our LDNPA staff to take a paid sabatical - at least they would do less damage that way.

By Tom from Kendal on Tuesday, 15 August, 2006 - 01:55 pm:

Potential costs were printed in the Gazette several months ago. From memory it was millions & bound to be multiples thereof (to be payable by the council tax payer - who else ?). What does it give ? We already know it will lead to severe planning restrictions - so forget starting or improving your local business. Restrictive of housing development - causing prices to escalate astronomically & further rural de-population. More jobs, forget it, unless you are in the hierarchy of the NT, FOLD etc. Cheaper parking / public loos - don't kid yourself. If you own a large hotel or a chain of retail outlets then you may be in for a money spinner otherwise for the rest its 'service' jobs at the minimum wage as the whole area becomes ever more a glorified theme park.
Is this what WE really want ? I doubt it.

By David from Kendal on Tuesday, 15 August, 2006 - 10:32 am:

As I imagine with most people in Cumbria I would not have a problem with the LD achieving World Heritage Status, however as the direct benefits of this seem to be so unclear the following question seems even more pertinent:

How much will the bidding process cost?

By Frank Newby Bridge on Monday, 14 August, 2006 - 03:07 pm:

WHS will do nothing but create yet another layer of bureaucracy, designed to pull the Lake District backwards not forward. I suspect the powers that be don’t care for the local economy or community. It’s about control and self-preservation and it can’t be allowed to happen.
I mean look at the Tourist Information Centres need I say more ?

By Wendy formely of Whitehaven on Monday, 14 August, 2006 - 11:55 am:

I think its a great idea, but it has to improve the lives of people living within the park and encourage investment, not just benefit tourism. I would love to move home to Cumbria but at the moment there are no jobs and no affordable housing, will WHS status help this??

By Mick Lockwood Local on Friday, 11 August, 2006 - 01:13 pm:

Anybody considering the power and lack of accountability of the LDNPA should read this report. It was a real eye opener for me.

http://www.rpsplc.co.uk/news.asp?N=43&secid=news&aback=y&siteID=&SessionID=

The LDNPA being a Quango unlike an elected body, puts them in a position where they can’t fade away reinvent themselves and come back, sooner or later they have to stand up and explain your actions. We don’t forget.

By GB Keswick on Friday, 11 August, 2006 - 12:56 pm:

I think we can see from these few comments that this is not simply an issue of whether or not we think WHS is appropriate for the lake district, rather a larger issue of do we consider the LDNPA a component, trust worthy organization capable of leading our region into the 21st century. And should we support their pursuit for even greater powers over us all. Because whatever spin they put on things that’s the bottom line here. Please read the section on this website ‘Why Seek WHS status’ to me this makes no scene what so ever, and is full of sound bite and spin.

The LDNPA and their extreme wing the FLD have proven through their actions and track record to be unaccountable, un-trust worthy with no ability to manage our region. Its time the Council took control as an elected body and represented the true views and wishs of local people.

How can we have faith in an orginisation who’s leader goes off on sabbatical and then hides behind loops holes in discloser law to totally brick wall any questions of accountably from local people. If their leader is capable of this imagine what else their capable of as an organization.

Sorry we don’t need to imagine, I think we already know!

By Steve from Levens on Thursday, 10 August, 2006 - 12:44 pm:

The Lake District, for 100's of years, has been a living breathing community, not a ship in a bottle, look but don't touch.

I live here, my business is here, I employ staff here, I walk here, I bike here, I sail here, until recently I skied here.

Look at Satterthwaite, this was a thriving community, now a postcard. Look at the fact NONE of my staff have a house here, they can't afford it, they all drive in from places like Preston.

It does not take a genius to work out no young people living in the Lakes equals no sustainable future. Or maybe the LDNP has a solution for the over 65's giving birth?

Maybe that is what they are looking for, a miracle, at the moment it looks like they need one already.

In short, sort out the current issues, before chasing new ones.

By JO from S. Lakeland on Wednesday, 09 August, 2006 - 11:38 am:

Waste no nore time on this pointless exercise and spend taxpayers money on the real issues that challenge the region. Will it bring any advantages? Will it attract any extra funding? Will it attract new jobs at a proper wage level? I suspect not. Canonizing the area is only likely to attract added bureaucracy, the potential for tighter planning laws, and if you think it will attract more tourists - forget it. Management, administration and sending bureaucrats to expensive conferences in exotic destinations will cost more than it will bring in visitor income. WHS status is fast losing its uniqueness as more places chase what has become a meaningless award.

By GB Keswick on Tuesday, 08 August, 2006 - 07:09 pm:

Your right about the whole Windermere issue acting as a warning to us all about the Lake District National Park Authority and the Friends of the Lake District. I don’t even own a boat but after witnessing the way those organizations branded and banished that part of our community, it scares me that people might consider giving those Quangos further powers. I think most people are aware of their inability to reflect the wishes of local people and lets face it the LDNPA are at best incompetent. They tell you what you want to hear and then do what the hell they like !

I would have to say NO without a doubt, put your own houses in order before you take on anything else, you have interfered with enough of our heritage and wasted enough of our money already

By Gary from Newby Bridge on Tuesday, 08 August, 2006 - 04:45 pm:

I've got a better idea. Let's not bother ourselves with interim measures and erect a huge fence around the whole of the Lake District, forbid anybody from entering (unless they have a blue rinse of course) and set up a direct debit to directly transfer taxes into the administrators slush fund. This way the LDNPA and F’s ot LD can totter around in their own personal utopia to their hearts content without any interference from the rest of the Lake District residents or the civilised world.

By Tom from Kendal on Tuesday, 08 August, 2006 - 02:59 pm:

No. This will present another layer of bureaucracy which will inevitably put additional restrictions and limits on what residents can and cannot do. I can see no economic benefit whatsover and certainly no 'cultural' benefit to an area that is already over saturated by the tourism industry. Any benefactor for this will likley be the employees of the public sector organisations which will be increased to administer it and the employees of the state quango's which will be additionally created. All to be payed for by our tax contributions.
Sorry, No thanks. Look at the mess they made of Windermere lake with the speed limit.

By Mick Lockwood Local on Tuesday, 08 August, 2006 - 11:38 am:

Anybody considering their view on World Heritage Status for the Lake District should first research the Windermere Speed Limit issue and understand the way in which both the LDNPA and the Friends of the Lake District conducted themselves during the whole process. WHS and the Speed Ban are directly related though both parties refuse to admit the connection.

Both organisations have ignored public option, destroyed the boating community built over decades, compromised heritage and the sprit of the area, significantly damaged the economy, refused to engage with local people, farmed out endless miss information and spin and failed to even consider a managed solution. Whatever your view on powered boats on Windermere consider the way these Quango's conduct themselves before we consider giving them more powers over are local area and community.

We need accountable leadership, not unaccountable dictatorship with hidden agenda.
World Heritage Status Yes, but not if the power and control it brings goes to unelected tyrannical eco- extremist bodies.

By Nigel, Cairo & Fletchertown on Monday, 07 August, 2006 - 05:58 pm:

WH Status is not just site specific, it does include cultural Landscapes, I think the bid has merit. However it will be a uphill stuggle to convince the World Heritage Organization to place such a large site on the list. Good luck.
Nigel Hetherington
Cultural Heritage Consultant
(originally from Cumbria)

By Simon from Orton Westmerian born and bred on Friday, 28 July, 2006 - 12:18 pm:

A total red herring. WHS is aimed at specific sites like Hadrian's Wall, Taj Mahal etc. Giving WHS to the Lakes will only achieve the long held ambition of the LDNPA and their provisional wing, the so called 'Friends of the LD' the opportunity to further 'preserve' an area in a choclate box timewarp for their supporters, wealthy retirees etc.
You only need to look at the ongoing incompetence of this unaccountable quango to see how they will make a total hash of this. They only seem to be interested in self preservation.

By Rod from Keswick on Thursday, 27 July, 2006 - 06:41 pm:

Go for it!
It's progress, we need inward investment to enhance the lives of those living here, and to ensure that this heritage is maintained in the best possible way.
Visitors will come anyway but they need guidance, information and a proper welcome to help them appreciate fully their experience in discovering this beautiful place, encouraging them to treat it as carefully and to value it as highly as the residents.

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